Horror in the hospital and why CPM’s need licensure

Many people dont know that in quite a few states in the country, trained Certified Professional Midwives can go to jail for attending homebirths.  That’s right…in some states like Illinois for example (where I had my first homebirth) my midwife, could have been charged with a felony for being my midwife had she been “caught”.  In WI, it is not only legal for CPM’s to attend homebirths, but they are licensed to do so, even students are licensed (as long as a licensed CPM is present).  You might be asking yourself what a CPM is.  A CPM is a Certified Professional Midwife.  Unlike their nurse counter parts, Certified Nurse Midwives….CPM’s are not generally nurses.  That doesn’t mean they are inferior, or give inferior care.  Quite the contrary actually.  They are specifically trained in out of hospital birth, and go through rigorous training in order to sit the NARM and gain their credentials.  In the CPM 2000 study published by the BMJ, it concluded that “Planned home birth for low risk women in North America using certified professional midwives was associated with lower rates of medical intervention but similar intrapartum and neonatal mortality to that of low risk hospital births in the United States.” So clearly it’s a safe option…..just as safe as a hospital in fact.

Currently there is a witch hunt going on in IN.  A state that has virtually the same laws as IL in regards to CPM’s.  They also don’t allow their CNM’s who chose to practice in an out of hospital setting, access or permission to carry and use potentially life saving drugs like Pitocin and Methergine.  Something that is afforded to the CPM’s who practice here in WI and the CNM’s who do homebirth in IL.  In the last month, 2 Indiana CPM’s have been arrested and charged with “Practicing Medicine without a license”…which is a felony.  For over 30 years the birth community has been fighting tooth and nail to get CPM’s licensed in IL.  I personally have made several trips down to Springfield to help lobby for the bills that would give women access to safe, evidence based legal and licensed maternity care in a out of the hospital setting.

Recently I was part of a birth that was nothing short of a nightmare.  For years I’ve read and heard the horror stories of homebirth transfers with CPM’s in a illegal state.  I had been at a few homebirths that ended in transport in the past, but never with any issue.  Everything went smoothly and I chalked it up to being in Chicagoland, which seems to be pretty progressive.  Mama was a VBAC, her first baby was born by csection, so this was going to be her first vaginal birth….she’d been having prodromal labor for going on 3 days now with no sleep and after being checked by her midwife and found her cervix to still be posterior, she decided to transfer.  She was done.  She wanted the epidural and she wanted to sleep.  When they got to Sherman Hospital in Elgin IL, the nightmare began.  They wanted her midwifes name, which she refused to give them…she told them she was a VBAC, refused an IV until they agreed to give her an epidural (but consented to a heplock), refused constant fetal monitoring and with her 9 year old daughter in the room they told her she was going to die, her baby was going to die and her uterus was going to rupture and that she COULD NOT dictate her own care (seriously I wish I was kidding folks…but those words were actually said) her daughter was seriously freaking out.  Because of them refusing to give the midwife’s name they labeled her as having “no prenatal care” and sent her off for an ultrasound.  Mind you she is 41 weeks at that point.  During all this, they are having the ultrasound faxed over that the mother in law who is an ultrasound tech performed at 23 weeks and another 8 week ultrasound performed by her prior OB/GYN before she decided to have a homebirth.  Clearly mom is full term.  The ultrasound determines her baby is small (duh…her daughter was 6 lbs 1 oz) and that due to the size she’s only 35 weeks and her fluid level is low.  Never mind the fact that ultrasounds done in the 3rd trimester are notoriously inaccurate for determining size, we KNOW she’s not 35.2 weeks.  At this point I get to the hospital and they have decided to send her for a level 2 ultrasound.  The second I got there, I was accosted for the midwife’s name myself and given the stink eye and talked down to when I refused to give it up. We are sent down to the Maternal Fetal Medicine Specialist (MFM) and a level 2 ultrasound is performed, they try to separate all of us at this point but mama refuses.  This ultrasound determines mama is 34 weeks and 5 days and has an AFI (amniotic fluid index) of 1.2…which is dangerously low.

This is when things get really bad and when HIPAA violation after HIPAA violation occurs from the staff of this hospital….the MFM tells her she is preterm and that they are going to try to stop her labor, put her on fluids and constant monitoring in the antepartum unit.  That she’s lying about being 41 weeks, that she’s really 34.5 weeks and her baby is preterm and she’s in preterm labor. No matter the Ultrasounds that were sent over from both the mother in the law and the OB…the one from the mother in law isn’t signed by a physician so it could be ANYONES (insert snort here) and the 8 week ultrasound wasn’t an official dating ultrasound so they refuse to acknowledge EITHER of them.  Are you fucking kidding me?  Excuse the appearance of my normally foul mouth, that I try to control on this blog.  At this point mama is already planning to make a run for it to the hospital where the aforementioned Dr delivers and is being combative with the medical staff…which she had every freaking right to be.  Security and more nurses are called in and we are being grilled, berated and yelled at for the midwife’s name and moms records from the midwife. “Why wont you give me her name”, “Superior care indeed, you are preterm”….demeaning statement after demeaning statement.   One nurse pulled me aside and starts in on “how can she say this is superior care”…not knowing who she was talking to, I let that nurse have it.  I know the level of care the midwife gives, and it was certainly WORLDS above the care we are receiving now, you smug bitch nurse.  We’d finally had enough and mom bolts out of the poorly secured maternity ward and out to the parking lot….heplock still in her arm and hospital gown flowing behind her.

In the end mom had a lovely vaginal birth of her FULL term baby boy, complete with meconium and peeling skin, with an amazing OB who I have a slight birth crush on (he just delivered footling breech twins vaginally) at Good Shepard Hospital in Barrington, IL.  Yup he was totally preterm (gag).  Why do I tell this story?  This story is a perfect example of WHY not licensing CPM’s can turn a hospital transfer into a nightmare.  How do you think we would have been treated if we could have walked in with the records, and the ability for them to speak with the midwife directly? Ok maybe not at this hospital, because they were just jackasses, but in a normal, caring compassionate hospital. When SquishyKid #4 was suspected to be breech and we had to confirm, we went to Labor and Delivery at a hospital near my midwife.  She went WITH ME.  When they asked who my midwife was, I told them her name and she was standing right beside me with my records in hand.  She had a long standing relationship with the on call CNM and we got a quick ultrasound to confirm position with no questions asked.  THAT is how it should be, and the only way that can happen is for CPM’s to licensed.

The “preterm” baby himself

The man *big puffy hearts* Dr Dan Pesavento

 

 

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  1. Heather P. -  April 19, 2012 - 10:31 am

    Oh my gosh! And I thought I had a rough time in the hospital. Thank goodness for good docters!

    • A father -  August 18, 2013 - 12:01 pm

      Dear Mommy,

      First allow me to thank you for the wonderful content you publish. Thanks!

      About the requiring licenses for midwives:

      The Government’s only way to enforce any rule it decrees is to use any and all force necessary so that its survival is ensured.

      Ultimately force will be used against midwives, mothers, babies, and those around, to enforce their licensing decrees.

      That use of force is the obvious reason why licensing midwives is a bad idea.
      But also remember that the “medical establishment and the pharmaceutical companies own the process that will institute the decrees for license requirement, and that the medical establishment (with its dogma’s and outdated beliefs) and the pharmaceutical companies (and their for profit rules) will own the rules of what midwives can and can’t do according to them.

      Can you imagine midwives having to fulfill decreed by the same institutions that have sullied medical care to the point that going to a hospital can be a grave danger to the patient?

      We, as individuals, own our body, our minds, and our decisions. We are free to decide if we want to give birth by ourselves, with our mother’s help, sister’s, husband’s, a friend, or with a specialist whom we trust (licensed or not).

      Any infringement on that freedom is just that, an infringement. One that will require violence to be enforced.

      Just imagine midwives being tazered, mothers being handcuffed, husbands being beat, on and on, as the government enforces the medical establishment and pharmaceutical company’s rules upon people who are doing nothing more than birthing the way they want to.

      Thanks once more for bringing attention to this very important issue
      .
      A father who wants his kids to live free (particularly of government violence)

  2. Jenny -  April 21, 2012 - 12:55 pm

    I am a midwife and transported a woman in labor back in January to Sherman. What a fucking nightmare! The last baby in my practice was born in March and now I am done practicing after 16 years. I deeply love serving mom’s and babies but cannot do it any longer in this poorly run state. Thanks for the post! Sorry about the experience.

    PS. Dr. Pesavento is an awesome guy and doc. Thanks for saying so. 😉

  3. Valerie Runes, RN JD -  April 21, 2012 - 2:13 pm

    Very nicely said. The only thing I would add is that Illinois activists have been working for licensure for OVER thirty years. 🙂 I was involved in the very first effort to pass midwifery licensure in 1979. 33 years is a very long time.

    Only when Illinois midwives are defined and regulated separately from physicians and nurses will they be able to openly accompany clients during hospital transports, communicate with physicians, and assist in providing the care that those clients deserve and midwives are trained to give.

  4. Jessica -  April 21, 2012 - 3:23 pm

    Love the photos! Especially the last photo.

    What a horrible hospital experience, I’m glad you were there with the mama. I only wish I could’ve seen you bitch that nurse out. I bet it was truly popcorn worthy 😉

  5. Ellen -  April 21, 2012 - 3:24 pm

    scary stuff! Here some midwives have a bad name with some OB/Gyns, others don’t. The midwives generally work together with a “back-up” OB/Gyn who is happy to be the backup as long as he has seen the mom at about 35 weeks. Some midwives battle to find a backup OB/Gyn due to their “irresponsible” way of doing homebirths, and in some cases, the OB/Gyns are probably right. But to be told that your are preterm when you know how far you are is just plain rude. It shows NO respect for the mom at all. I’m glad the mom got a good VBAC after this ordeal.

  6. Jessica -  April 21, 2012 - 3:37 pm

    I have a dr crush too!!! Footling breech twins?! Sigh.

  7. Kate @ Modern Alternative Mama -  April 21, 2012 - 4:47 pm

    That’s horrifying, truly! I can’t believe they would treat someone that way who came to them for help. It just boggles my mind…. I’m happy it ended so well!

  8. Jerren -  April 22, 2012 - 7:03 am

    I have so many cuss words coming out of my mouth, I can’t breathe! Been there, done that. Congrats for that Mama’s bravery to leave that scene. Women always talk about those of us choosing HB as being brave….THIS is brave.

  9. Jody -  April 22, 2012 - 7:05 am

    I’m confused about the issue of midwives not being licensed in Illinois. I birthed at home in June 2011 WITH a midwife who is licensed in the state of Illinois. Are you saying that some midwives in Illinois are attending home births without a license? Or are you saying that my midwife wasn’t licensed.

    I am ALL for a Momma choosing her own prenatal care, where and how she births. How this mother was treated is awful and there is no excuse for the hospital staff in their words and actions.

    What I have difficulty with is the issue of the midwife. If she was NOT licensed in Illinois, or any state where you are not licensed, she is choosing to put herself in a dangerous position. I’m not saying she doesn’t know more than the physicians, etc…it is just a dangerous spot she is putting herself in.

    • Alyssa -  April 23, 2012 - 9:19 am

      If your midwife was licensed in IL…she was a CNM. I am talking about CPM’s here. Which are Certified Professional midwife’s. While the CNM’s in Chicagoland are wonderful (I have met all of them and worked with a couple), they are not who *I* would chose to use as my care provider. I want the care and model of the CPM, just like many other women. It should be every women’s right to choose the care provider that she feels will give her the best quality of care and who she really clicks with.

      Yes she is choosing to put herself in a dangerous position, but these midwife’s do so with no hesitation so that women (regardless of ridiculous state laws) have access to quality, safe and evidence based maternity care in a out of hospital setting. They put their lives on the line for others….and there is nothing more noble then that.

  10. Melissa -  April 22, 2012 - 10:08 am

    I came across this post and was so excited to see the doctor that delivered my baby 12 weeks ago. Dr
    Dan is the best and would recommend him to anyone!!!

  11. Dr. Nancy, Your Birth Coach -  April 23, 2012 - 3:18 pm

    Wow, that is so sad that such a beautiful event was ruined by people worried about turf wars. It all comes down to competition in the industry. Horrifying that the hospital staff was more concerned with eliminating the competition than giving care to a mom in need.

    It boggles my mind why they even try to gain any information from ultrasound regarding dates and size at the end of pregnancy. All babies are different sizes. If mom and dad are 5 foot their baby is unlikely to be the same size as a baby of two 6 foot parents. Everyone grows at different rates. Growth charts should be thrown out the window. They provide no valuable information.

    I am grateful to live somewhere where our midwives have hospital privileges and can make a seamless transfer to the hospital, most of the time.

    I was at a birth (HBAC) recently and they transferred to the closest hospital after the birth because of a tear not repairable at home. They didn’t transfer to the midwife’s hospital because of a snow storm. The closer hospital (not VBAC friendly) broke the law and refused to accept her and made her wait bleeding in the ambulance for an hour before they could take her to the midwife’s hospital. They didn’t even check her to see the extent of the bleeding. She was soaked in blood by time they got to the other hospital. Just a doctor trying to be the big guy and make the rules. He broke the law that night and I hope there ends up being repercussions. She could have bled to death in that ambulance.

    So sad that politics and fear of losing business is dictating patient care.

    • Xza Louise -  April 23, 2012 - 4:11 pm

      I completely agree about the ultrasound nonense, albeit I was with a group of awesome midwives. I was told my entire pregnancy that my son was going to be very tiny (lucky if he would be 6 lbs) he showed up at 42 weeks a hefty 8.5 lbs! My friend had a home birth yesterday and her OB was also speaking of the same size nonsense. She was worried to death that her baby was going to be very small and she showed up yesterday at just under 7 lbs.

  12. AJ -  April 25, 2012 - 9:58 am

    Hi Alyssa,

    Heartbreaking story and mom is fortunate to have a happy ending, though ease follow up with her throughout the year, as it sounds like it could’ve been rather traumatic for her.

    I used to work in healthcare compliance so may I also suggest a correction? Please change the spelling of HIPAA. After all, with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act it is the accountability that is important in this situation.

  13. Rachel -  April 25, 2012 - 5:25 pm

    Wow, what a story! I just had a homebirth (in Illinois) a week ago, and it was a wonderful experience, although I know if I’d gone to a hospital they would have most likely done a C-section or made me take pitocin, all because my baby was over 9 pounds and my labor took 3 days (with a few breaks in between). My midwives were AWESOME!!!!

  14. CBMascari -  July 18, 2012 - 9:33 pm

    Nothing that the Navelgazing Midwife would believe – your story would be bizarre because as a doula she’s never seen that kind of shit or been involved as “employee” – really, kudos to you and your mama for having the courage and strength to get up and leave!

  15. areawoman -  October 18, 2012 - 12:32 pm

    The CPM training is hardly rigorous. The vast majority of CPMs go the PEP route, which requires no didactic training at all. They didn’t even require a high school diploma until earlier this year. And they only have to attend 20 births as a primary midwife before they can sit for the exam. Ridiculous and dangerous.

    • Hollie Bowers -  October 18, 2012 - 1:37 pm

      Someone want to put this bitch in her place? I honestly forget how ignorant some people are!

      • Lydia91 -  October 22, 2012 - 9:38 am

        Everything she says is accurate. You are only demonstrating how poorly informed YOU are.

    • Alyssa -  October 18, 2012 - 2:22 pm

      The CPM 2000 study would disagree with you

      • Darby Partner -  October 18, 2012 - 2:47 pm

        Yes, call women bitches. Then put them in binders. See the violence you are promoting.

  16. Darby Partner -  October 18, 2012 - 12:41 pm

    Attitudes like this are setting back efforts for midwives and doctors to work together. Maybe stop with the “duhs” and internet quarterbacking. Treat hospital staff as you want to be treated – refusing to give your medical history isn’t exactly cooperative.

    Medical staff are, after all, there to save your and your baby’s life in spite of your bad choices. Show some respect.

    • Hollie Bowers -  October 18, 2012 - 1:38 pm

      I was in NO WAY not allowing them access to my records. In fact, we had things faxed to them. Let me call this what it was, a witch hunt. The staff was pissed that I knew more birth info and statistics than they did and they get personally insulted when a woman doesn’t want to birth ‘their way’.

      • Darby Partner -  October 18, 2012 - 2:44 pm

        “The staff was pissed that I knew more birth info and statistics than they did and they get personally insulted when a woman doesn’t want to birth ‘their way’.”

        You are so right, they were just fat jealous losers of your big brain! You went to the hospital to ask for their help – epi and sleep, right? Poor tired laboring momma. And you didn’t let them help you. If you don’t want to work with other people, don’t go to the hospital and make demands. Just stay home. Then you can have it all your way, My Queen.

  17. Darby Partner -  October 18, 2012 - 12:44 pm

    Oh, and calling nurses bitches won’t get you far. If you want to represent midwives like a grown-up, stop calling names and write like a professional. They don’t call nurses “smug bitches” in the legislation you want to badly. So don’t use those words in your argument.

  18. Darby Partner -  October 18, 2012 - 12:50 pm

    … I think the only horror in the hospital was you and your friend. Those poor medical staff had the patience of saints. They have to put up with people like you all the time, and often, you die in spite of their best efforts. Talk about needing trauma support – I’m going to thank the next nurse I see for his/her dedicated service to people like you. Those “smug bitches” are doing thankless work.

    • TSM -  October 18, 2012 - 1:35 pm

      Darby Partner?? Seriously? I can’t believe Darby Partner made the above three comments.. Didn’t your complete lack of ethics, education, logic, and experience result in the death of Margarita’s baby? I’m honestly speechless. The irony is mind blowing….

      • Hollie Bowers -  October 18, 2012 - 1:41 pm

        She’s probably just an uneducated smug bitch nurse herself.. sigh.. can’t teach common sense. It was my fault I had that birth experience? Haha.

        • Darby Partner -  October 18, 2012 - 2:49 pm

          Oh no my dear. I am not a nurse at all. Why don’t you go to my website and see for yourself? Can you use teh interwebz, or did your “horror” in the hospital traumatize the reading comprehension right out of your impressive giant brain? Or, is there just not room in your head for anything but birth stats?

      • Kavita Rosepetal -  October 18, 2012 - 3:16 pm

        Yes, a lack of ethics, education, logic and experience that led to a child’s death. Not all midwives are competent. We need strict licensing with teeth if we want midwifery to be truly safe from people who play midwife.

        Midwifery model of care is a nice idea. CNMs are the standard – they already provide that care. CPMs just don’t have the standards.

      • Hollie Bowers -  October 18, 2012 - 3:54 pm

        What happened to Margarita’s baby?

        • Smug Bitch Nurse -  October 18, 2012 - 4:31 pm

          Why don’t you use Google and find out? You learned all about birth stats, so I’m sure that you can research Darby Partner. The nurses were super jealous and hated you for your brains, those smug bitches (duh!!). Now make me even more jealous and go read more internet. Because you have every freaking right to know.

  19. Hollie Bowers -  October 18, 2012 - 1:43 pm

    My bad, I shouldn’t feed the trolls…

  20. Hollie Bowers -  October 18, 2012 - 2:20 pm

    If this story bothers you, please take a few minutes and go to Sherman Hospital’s FB page https://www.facebook.com/ShermanHealth?fref=ts and let them know how beautiful natural birth can be. They will delete your post but they are slow and it stays up there for several hours. Please help pressure them into further educating their L & D staff so that future women don’t have to go through what me and my family did. Thank you 😉

    • Smug Bitch Nurse -  October 18, 2012 - 4:55 pm

      I did! I thanked them for their service in dealing with Drama Mamas like you.

  21. Darby Partner -  October 18, 2012 - 2:41 pm

    Yes, it was your fault that you had a bad birth experience. If you ended up in a hospital at all, you obviously didn’t trust birth enough. Wassamatta – ovaries not big enough to UC? Grow a pair. Some momma you are.

  22. Anna -  October 18, 2012 - 2:42 pm

    Thank you for sharing your story. It brings light to what we are working toward (CPM licensure) in Indiana. Can I share your story with those working toward legalization here?

      • TSM -  October 18, 2012 - 3:26 pm

        Someone actually hacked into Darby Partner’s blog and is using her profile to comment. That’s pretty scary.

        • Hollie Bowers -  October 18, 2012 - 3:33 pm

          So that isn’t really her commenting? How do you know that?

          • How do we really know who anyone is on the internet? -  October 18, 2012 - 4:09 pm

            Just sayin’, earth momma.

          • Bejamin Franklin -  October 18, 2012 - 4:00 pm

            I don’t have a vagina, so I have no say in this conversation. But please like me on facebook.

  23. Darby Partner -  October 18, 2012 - 3:05 pm

    No one has a right to be combative. If the nurses called security, it was because your client was threatening harm to herself or others.

    If you are really a doula, maybe you shouldn’t encourage your clients to act that way on a blog.

  24. Angelic -  October 18, 2012 - 4:38 pm

    I totally agree with the idea that we need licensure for our midwives – here in MO the legality of our CPMs hangs by a tenuous thread, and “they” are constantly trying to get our mws to come under the board of healing arts – which is composed of MDs & possibly one chiropractor – NO midwives. For obvious reasons, this is unacceptable – so we keep writing our own bills…we’ve been working on them for years – we’re trying to set up a peer review board that would be acceptable to all. Ahem!

    However, I’m not at all sure that having licensure will remove the stigma & get transfers treated differently. We were a transfer 6 years ago with our first – born at home & needing resuscitation. He was airlifted and we spent 11 days in the NICU – HALF of which was probably necessary. He received the Hep B vax w/o our consent, and there were awful rumors going around about us – one MW friend brought in an e-mail she’d received from a nurse at the hospital that we were at – full of complete lies…she refused to tell us who the nurse was – again HIPPA laws being broken – I think HIPPA is a crock – no one pays ANY attention to it. Anyway – we were treated badly, there & then 5 weeks later there were liver complications – and we chose a different hospital – where we were AGAIN grilled for our MW’s name (this was prior to MWs being legal here) – I refused to give it up & even laughed at the intern who told me that it was NECESSARY. I said – you can get all his medical records faxed over from the hospital. They insisted on birth/prenatal records & I said I’d be happy to get them for them. Ended that discussion. Grrrr,,,,I think it’ll take years of it being more “mainstream” before discrimination ends at the hospital.

    • Smug Bitch Nurse -  October 18, 2012 - 4:48 pm

      “I think HIPPA is a crock”

      I bet you do. It’s HIPAA, though, not HIPPA. Get the facts straight before you hate, lady.

      • Smug Bitch Nurse who recently had a home birth with a Direct Entry Midwife -  October 19, 2012 - 9:05 pm

        I am an RN and HIPAA IS a crock. Nurses and Doctors violate it EVERYDAY. My first 2 births were in the hospital (last 2 were at home) and most of the nurses were rude and uncaring and the OB with my first was a nightmare. I did have one really sweet nurse who was (surprise, surprise!) training to become a midwife herself. Labor and Delivery nurses don’t get to witness the majority of planned homebirths that go smoothly because they happen AT HOME. They get to see the transfers and listen to the OBs rant about how stupid and irresponsible the mothers are, maybe this is why they are so against homebirths??? Anyway, Smug Bitch Nurse, you truly sound smug….and you’re pretty bitchy, so nice name choice. This Nurse works in a hospital and in my professional opinoin, low risk births should happen at home where there are less complications and injuries to mother and baby. Get YOUR facts straight before YOU hate. You learned about evidence based practice in nursing school and if you did the slightest amount of research before running your mouth you would know that outcomes for homebirths of low risk pregnancy are BETTER FOR HOMEBIRTHS THAN HOSPITAL BIRTHS.

        • Smug Bitch Nurse -  October 26, 2012 - 1:37 pm

          Aw, did I hurt your little feelings Mommy? LOL

    • C. Ollie -  October 18, 2012 - 6:03 pm

      Im confused? Whats HIPAA?

  25. Em -  October 18, 2012 - 8:20 pm

    Was mom post dates? CPM’s often are fine with mom’s doing that which can be dangerous for baby resulting in meconium and peeling skin. It does sound like she had quite a ridiculous battle at the hospital though. CPM’s are notorious for having such a wide range of training and education that it can be dangerous to use one of these illegal midwives. Some barely have any education or training while others might have years of both, but who knows for sure which you will be lucky enough to get and even then, she could have attended many preventable deaths yet the midwives alliance will not hold them accountable. It’s a big crap shoot.

    • Alyssa -  October 18, 2012 - 8:30 pm

      Yes mom was post date…as I said in my post she was 41 weeks. Of course they are fine with it, because the evidence shows that only after 42 weeks should you be talking about induction. Which is also the standard of care in the UK…a country which has better outcomes surrounding birth then we do. Peeling skin is not dangerous in anyway, and meconium can be managed even in a home setting. My youngest had Mec and peeling skin, and was born at home, safely with a CPM who is licensed in my state. I know this mama’s midwife personally, and she is licensed in my state but practices in IL as well where CPM’s are illegal. Her 30 year record speaks for itself.

  26. Em -  October 18, 2012 - 8:47 pm

    But is going to 42 weeks considered okay since mom was VBAC? That I am not clear on since it could be considered a higher risk category and I don’t know if ACOG address that.

    • Hollie Bowers -  October 18, 2012 - 10:26 pm

      What wasn’t mentioned is that there had been almost 10 years since my c-section. I was more than healed and Vbac was very safe.

  27. Liz bruer -  October 19, 2012 - 1:19 am

    Sherman sucks in general. I had a similar problem with my amazing midwife who is licensed in WI but also does HB in IL quietly. She was great with my birth but when I finally went into labor at 43 wks 5 days and actively labored for 65 hours without ever progressing past 4cm we chose to transfer, which broke my heart and still does but ended up being the only thing that saved both our lives. However as we talked about it I chose to endure the pain and drive an hour to Wisconsin to a hospital where she could participate in my care rather then drive the 10 min down the road where we would have had to go it alone. Midwives are a huge blessing.

  28. tara dukaczewicz -  October 20, 2012 - 5:53 pm

    Darby partner AKA Kavita darby rosepetal is a good example of why CPM’s aren’t taken seriously. She is responsible for the most disgusting case of negligence that I have ever heard of. Darby, I hope you think of little baby Shazhad before you ever dare to pretend to be a midwife again. Think about the devastation you have caused to Margarita and her family, then you will know why we fight against “midwives” as poorly trained as you. Shame on you, you have destroyed people and killed an innocent baby, how dare you show your face?

  29. A father -  August 18, 2013 - 11:51 am

    Conversation started today

    Dear Mommy,

    First allow me to thank you for the wonderful content you publish. Thanks!

    About the requiring licenses for midwives:

    The Government’s only way to enforce any rule it decrees is to use any and all force necessary so that its survival is ensured.

    In conclusion; Ultimately force will be used against midwives, mothers, babies, and those around, to enforce their licensing decrees.

    That use of force is the obvious reason why licensing midwives is a bad idea.

    But also remember that the medical establishment owns the process that will institute the decrees for license requirement, and it will therefore own midwives. Can you imagine midwives having to fulfill decreed by the same institutions that have sullied medical care to the point that going to a hospital can be a grave danger to the patient?

    And lastly, we, as individuals own our body, our minds, and our decisions. We are free to decide if we want to give birth by ourselves, with our mother’s help, sister’s, husband’s a friend, or with a specialist whom we trust.

    Any infringement on that freedom is just that, an infringement. One that will require violence to be enforced.
    Just imagine midwives being tazered, mothers being handcuffed, husbands beat, on and on, as the government enforces the medical establishment and pharmaceutical company’s rules upon people who are doing nothing more than birthing the way the want to.

    Thanks once more for bringing attention to this very important issue.

    A father who wants his kids to live free.

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